Van Dwelling Logistics: Overnight Parking and Security
You pull into a nice quiet and dark parking lot. There are only a few cars around and one semi truck. The business looks closed and it seems like a fine place to hunker down for the night. You climb into the back, get your comfy clothes on and whip out the sleeping bag. Memories of the day and excitement for tomorrow’s adventures float through your head as you drift off to sleep. Just as Mr. Sandman begins to guide you through tonight’s dream journey, a Maglite taps the glass. You jerk up and your heart skips a beat. Adrenaline. Short breaths. You attempt to gather your thoughts as you wipe the fog from the glass. On the other side is a man in uniform and he wants to talk to you much more than you want to talk to him.
No self-respecting van dweller wants to find themselves in this type of situation, but unfortunately, it’s an unavoidable fact of van life... OR IS IT? If you’re thinking about living and/or traveling in your vehicle (or if you just want to know what it’s like for us), this post is for you...
At the time of writing this post, we’ve been living in our van for just over 8 months. When we first began this journey, we consulted many websites and have since spoken with other van dwelling experts. We’ve used some pretty solid strategies that have kept us out of run-ins with police (other than one who just didn’t have anything better to do) and have kept us out of imminent danger (a voiced concern of some of our readers and YouTube followers). Here are a few of the things we’ve learned so far:
Vehicle Selection is Important
Your vehicle of choice ought to be something not too flashy that can blend in just about anywhere. Our 2001 Dodge Ram Van has worked quite well for that. It’s a big, plain, white, boxy van. No fancy wheels, special markings, no stickers (granted, we would have loved some Vagabloggers logos on the side, but it would have ruined this effect). It’s easiest if you can blend in both commercial and residential situations. If you're not in to the size and gas consumption of a van, consider your own personal needs. Many people can just as easily pull this off in a car.
Be Discreet
The term often used in the van dwelling community is “Stealth Parking”. The whole idea here is simple: don't get noticed. Here are a few of the best places we’ve found for discreet overnight parking:
- Large businesses that are open 24 hours - Tons of options here. Super markets, big box stores, etc. You’ll want to be easily mistaken for a delivery vehicle or perhaps an employee who’s parked overnight to stock shelves. Please see WalMart section below for additional details.
- Quiet neighborhoods - In safe suburban areas, this is usually pretty easy to pull off. It’s best to pull in just before bedtime and leave first thing in the morning. It’s also best if you don’t park directly in front of anyone’s house. You want it to look like Grandpa came to visit the neighbors, not like a couple of dirty hippies are living in a van out front. Just use your head. Don’t do anything that might make you wonder if someone were parked near your house.
- Apartment complexes - You can usually park on the curb just outside of an apartment complex. It's very common for overnight guests to park just outside the complex as inside parking spots are usually assigned or require passes.
- Hospitals - Overnight parking is quite common at hospitals and they are usually safe and patrolled. Just be ready with a story as to why you’re sleeping in your vehicle if you’re bugged by security.
- Auto repair shops - Be sure to check when the repair shop opens and leave at least 30 min. before then. Again, if bugged, be ready with a story... “Traveling and had car troubles, etc.”
- Hotels - We personally don’t prefer this one simply because it's difficult to know which hotels keep track of vehicles and license plate numbers, but we have known many others who’ve had little to no trouble. Use discretion.
Learn the “Legitimate Spots”
There are several places where sleeping in one’s vehicle is perfectly normal, legal and acceptable. These are always nice to come across, but only if you know which places they are. Fortunately, we’ve figured a few of those out too:
Public Lands - Lands maintained and controlled by the BLM (Bureau of Land Management), DNR (Department of Natural Resources) and National Forest. Most of these have places you can legitimately park or camp for up to 14 days. The majority have both paid and free camping areas. Check with the local office to get the info. You'll also find that many employees within the local offices like to avoid telling you about the free spots, but if you’re nice, polite and smile it can go a very long way.
Rest Stops - First things first... not every state allows people to sleep in their vehicles at rest stops (yes, it sounds stupid, but it’s absolutely true) and they will ticket you. Just do your research to see if the state allows this before you stop. We’ve yet to find a perfectly reliable website for this info, so if you know of one, please let us know in the comments.
Truck Stops - Many truck stops have specific stalls or locations for overnight parking, so just check with the attendant to make sure you’re where you’re supposed to be. Parking spots are usually well-lit and feel relatively safe. Additional bonuses at truck stops tend to be things like: clean, well-maintained, usually inexpensive (or free with fill-up) showers, laundry facilities, and WiFi (sometimes free, sometimes paid).
Walmart - It seems that most people know that Walmart allows overnight RV parking. However, not every Walmart does. Some are restricted by the laws within their cities. So how do you know which Walmarts allow overnight parking? Call ahead. Our usual question is quite simple: "Do you allow overnight parking for travelers?" if they say yes, just respond with "Great! Thank you so much! Is there a particular area in the parking lot that I should park in?" They usually do have an actual designated spot and parking there will help you to avoid any other potential problems.
Free Camping Websites - There are lots of other very legit places to park if you just do a little research online. One of our favorite websites is Freecampsites.net. It usually includes reviews and details about the site and loads of other good info. There are definitely many more, if you have a favorite of your own, include it in the comments and we'll add it to the list here.
Comfort
It should go without saying that your van should have a comfortable sleeping surface, but we're going to say it anyway. Your days of van dwelling will be short-lived to say the least if you're not getting a decent and comfortable sleep each night. For some this means stripping the seats and installing a mattress or building a custom bed. For minimalists like us, it means picking out a van with cushy bench seats that are long enough to fit on. Our middle seat is flipped around backwards to create a "living room" feel of sorts. We're certainly not going to judge here... just do what makes you most comfortable.
Light
Keep in mind that that many of the easiest and safest spots to park also tend to be very well-lit. Nothing can prevent a good night's sleeping like a blinding street light hitting you square in the face all night. There are several simple solutions. This is ours: we purchased 99% Blackout Tint
from Amazon and just used double-sided sticky tape to put it up. Some edges are reinforced with black electrical tape as well. You can certainly try to install it the proper way yourself (not easy without experience) or pay someone to. We just didn't because we're cheap and our method worked quite well. We also put up a spring loaded curtain rod and a light-blocking curtain just behind the front seats. This handles the rest of the light and gives us complete privacy. We've met many others who prefer hanging curtains all around over the blackout tint (preferably the kind you can see out, but no one else can see in). We like the tint because it's much more difficult to tell that the van is being lived in. Curtains in every window tend to be a dead giveaway.
Safety
As mentioned above, we've had several requests to share our tips about safety. If you've read to this point, you'll have noticed many safety tips given already, but there are a few other things worth mentioning. Before addressing safety, let me say this: I don't believe anyone can be a perfect expert regarding safety. Sometimes bad things just happen. The best we van dwellers can do is simply use our heads. During our 8 months of living in a van, we have never had a single security issue. We've been in some scary places for sure. Luck? Maybe. Common sense? Hopefully. To keep ourselves out of trouble, here are the rules we use:
Rule #1: Don't get noticed. Yes, we've already mentioned this, but it's worth mentioning again because it's such a key component. Let's leave it at that.
Rule #2: Lights out. Once you find the perfect spot to park, pull in, shut out the lights, go to sleep. That's it. The ambient blue glow from your laptop is bound to attract unwanted attention from nosy neighbors and would-be robbers. The same applies to reading lights, lanterns, whatever. The only exception to this would be situations in which said light would be normal (truck stops with WiFi, etc.)
Rule #3: Trust your feelings. Equally as important as #1. As animals on this planet, we have an uncanny sense of self-preservation if we just trust our own intuitions. Plain and simple, it doesn't matter how safe or secure or legal a place appears. If you pull in and it just doesn't feel right, move. With a little effort, you can always find another spot.
Hopefully all of that helps. If you have further questions, or anything to add, please let us know in the comments. We hope our website can help bring the van dwelling community together in a way that makes this unique lifestyle easier for all those who choose it. The only way we can do that is through helping each other with a little participation 😉
Cheers.
Hey everyone! I really enjoyed reading all the comments and great insight on the website Josh! Definitely great info! I’m 22 and am choosing to end my apt. lease next month and convert my sport utility Ford Explorer to a live in vehicle. I’ve built a custom bed frame after removing the front passenger seat which does exactly as designed for storage and a comfortable platform that levels out the base of the vehicle. My concerns are these:
1) It gets fairly hot through heat conduction coming through the windows and I’m wondering if reflectix will be effective for cooling the innner temp of the suv?
2)Second how could I stealth my window covers and the front part of the suv since my bed frame extends into that section?
I wish I had better advice for you, Sturgis. I personally don’t care for Reflectix only because I think it’s not that stealthy. We use this complete black-out tint on all our rear windows and noticed a significant difference in temperature after application (but I have no comparison with Reflectix). But it still gets super hot if you lack airflow. Our cheap and minimalist answer to that was an oscillating fan that plugs into the cigarette lighter. The eventual hope is to install a simple rooftop vent for additional heat control and airflow.
I would suggest you check out the forum at CheapRVLiving.com and pose your questions there. There are many people in that forum who have a lot more experience with customization than we do.
Good luck!
I’ve been living in either a van or a truck sleeper since the mix 80’s.
My most important suggestion is to use a cargo van, without windows if possible. I’ve been in the third van for five years. Life is much easier if you adopt an occupation that is supported by vandwelling. I have had a CDL-A since 1990, did driveaway for five years, getting set up to do pilot car for the foreseeable future. I started out moving motorhomes, none of which would let me tow the van. All the driveaway customers had no problems, partially because my hitch was very heavy and dialled-in. My prime contractor’s insurance took care of the rest of the concerns. I have never lost a chase car because of compulsive safety.
Hi, I live in seattle, wa. I have to move out of my apartment in a week and am considering living in my chevy astro van. I’m a student at the university of washington. I have another quarter of school left until I graduate so I’ll be living in the city for the most part. I don’t have any permanent address in the US as I moved here from brazil 7 years ago as a student. Where can I receive my mail while I’m living in my van? I will also be applying for jobs soon after graduation. Many places require an address. What can I do? Please guide me. Thanks.
Sorry for not responding to your question, Mike! Not sure how that happened 🙁 Were you able to figure out the mail situation?
Thanks for all the info! I live in an astro van with my boyfriend and have had that experience with parking (knock, knock, knock “what are you guys doing in here? *bright lights* disorientation…bad mood for all) so many times. An astro van is pretty stealthy, but out-of-state plates parked in the wrong spot will always bring attention.
Love your tips for parking. Especially that free camping website. Oh and auto repair shops are a new idea I will have to try!
Hope you guys are still going vagabond. If you ever come out my way, I would love to trade stories on video! 🙂
Glad to hear you like the tips 😀 Hopefully they help! At this point, we plan on vagabonding indefinitely. Here’s to many more great adventures to all…
Hey, Im currently Dwelling in a 1992 Cadillac DeVille. I use my trunk for all storage, and keep the cab 100% clear (to make discreet im living in it.) for sleeping i just recline the seat back and use that as my bed. (I figure if i have to leave a spot quickly it makes it easy) I like how the rear window has very little visability it makes it easier to be stealthy, lastnight I parked inbetween a minivan and a work van at my old apt complex (I know no one really cares about the parking stickers there. Any advice for me?
Wow, a DeVille is certainly impressive. Sounds like you’ve got the organization figured out fairly well. As far as stealthy parking – we’ve seen car dwellers use the silver sun shades for privacy. That seems to work pretty well in the summer given the fact that sun shades are pretty common in cars when it’s hot. Not sure how much it would stand out in the winter though.
Does anybody else have thoughts on this?
Josh: question to pick your mind. Most lived-in vans seem to have too much bedspace (yours less bc they are couches) relative to the entire space. Assuming one could sleep comfortably in a hammock in the van, and bag it up in the daytime, would the saved space be useful to the vandweller for a chair, desk, etc…or, since human beings need to sit or lay on a couch anyhow, is it more academic than reality bc the space will be used for a couch, regardless. What do you and your wife think? Thanks for sharing your thoughts/ Sven in Illinois
I think it really just depends on your personal preference. For us, we really like having a “couch” both to chill and get some work done on. We’re actually investigating bed designs at this point, but still plan on keeping the middle bench for a couch because we like it. Not sure if that helps, but that’s our take on it.
Your utube vids and website are inspiring. I watch tiny house vids, but am thinking a van may be better for several months on the road (but still owning an economical base house). Q: What color is the best for a van dwelling? White, summer cool and looks like work truck? Black, harder to spot at night but might look like a pervert? Other? Thanks in advance (this might be a subject for a post, I don’t know). Cheers and thank you! I agree with your no appliance lifestyle, btw. Sven in Illinois
Thanks for the kind words, Sven. As far as color, we’d suggest white. Our van is white and seems to appear just as you said – a work truck or delivery van, etc. Black might be a bit harder to spot at night, but either way, it’s still a van and can really only blend so much. Our van does have a big black stripe down the side, which often times can come off as some type of police vehicle. That has definitely caused some unwanted stare-downs in the shady areas of town. I don’t know how many shady areas you’d find yourself in, but I can see people being equally weary about black for similar reasons.
That’s what I thought, and you’ve confirmed it with your experience, and I believe you, Josh. Okay, white it is. And no stripes or other markings if at all possible. Thanks!
Hi there, thanks for the tips. I have seen youtube videos about rest stops or day camp areas where police are waking people up in the middle of the night to give them a ticket and force them to leave. I’ve decided on a mini van. Still looking at the moment but I think it gives me the room I need and is pretty good at stealth. I really like the suggestion of parking then going right to sleep. I’m guessing that would help to keep from being noticed. Do you have any suggestions for someone who is by themselves for the first time stealth camping and may have jitters about it?
Hi Teresa- Great idea going with the minivan. Many times we’ve found ourselves wishing we’d gone that direction instead… better gas mileage, easy stealth camping, low cost. As far as first time jitters: just do it 😉 The easiest way to get over it is to get used to the idea. The more comfortable you can become with the situation, the less likely you’ll be to attract attention to yourself. We try to keep a good balance of comfort & caution, which to this day, has kept us out of any major trouble 🙂
By the way, checked out your website as well. Lot’s of great stuff on there. Especially enjoyed your recent interview with the van dwelling woman.
I always hear that you’re supposed to blend in, but the vehicle I’m toying with purchasing (sportsmobile 4×4) is about as far away from discreet as one can get. You keep alluding to encounters with thieves, something I’m much more worried about than dealing with police or security guards. Have you actually had to deal with robbers? How often? How often does it ‘almost’ happen? I’d really like to get a real datapoint here, everyone seems to just hint and dance around it. Thanks!
Oh, and of course, love the blag / vids, keep em comin 🙂
Thanks for the comment, Will! -I remember the first time I saw a Sportsmobile in Zion. Those things look pretty amazing, albeit not very discreet 🙁 I’ve mentioned thieves mainly because we’ve received a number of messages from our readers mentioning their concerns with that particular issue.
In our experience- we’ve never been robbed or broken into. In part, I do attribute this to a discreet vehicle and discreet (and mostly safe) parking places. We’ve had people come up to the van and snoop around and peek through windows a couple of times while we were in the back, but so far that’s all we know of *crossing fingers*. The Sportsmobile seems like it may come off as a bit more of a target vehicle versus something a little more discreet, but based on our travels so far, it seems if you use discretion when choosing places to park, it ought to be a non-issue for the most part.
Good luck with your purchase… Hope that helps 🙂
Thank you so much Im a 51yr old out of work father of 4 kids we live way out in the country Im planning on looking for work in Seattle wa. I will half to stay in my mini van tell I get that first payday One good thing is we where offered
a subscription to the WMCA for low income family so showers and a place to park tell 12:00 a.m. I’m a truck driver so I mite land a job that has a large yard I can go do my WMCA thing grab a bit to eat we get food assistants so i can load up at the dollar store before taking off go back latter and find a out of the way spot between trucks then bug out early before the bosses show up If I can do this fore just one month well be back on are feet.
Thanks for the feedback Marlin! We wish you the best of luck in your job search and living situation. The good news is that living in a van is definitely possible 🙂 It can certainly be stressful at times, but with the right attitude (it seems you’ve got that) and a bit of information, it can be a great experience and lots of fun. It sounds like your subscription at the WMCA should help out quite a bit. Life always seems to go much easier when you can at least stay clean and healthy.
Again, best of luck and if you have further questions that aren’t answered here on our blog, feel free to email us at contact@vagabloggers.com. We’ll do our best to provide any other info you may need.
There’s another great site you may want to check out as well. Go to http://www.cheaprvlinging.com – They’ve got loads of great info about this kind of stuff.